Originally Posted by
eaglefly
*Absolutely amazing......stunning actually (well, actually not). Eagle WAS a "career" carrier where one could stay and make a decent living with a decent QWL. $100-120,000/year once you paid your dues and thus many have. Now guys like you are actually angry it's impeded your desire to make it an upgrade puppy mill to get somewhere else, thus turning the place to crap.*I'm SOOOOOOO glad I left.
**No that decision wasn't made by the pilots, my little turk. Not a single pilot at Eagle was allowed to vote on any such issue. Look to the unions who dropped the ball there furthering the "us and them" mentality.**Wrong again. Look to your ALPA leadership for any such decision and BTW, those guys were all in the middle of the seniority range for the most part. The logic there was, since most of them were junior captains or senior F/O's they wanted to ensure any improvements were across the board and NOT simply something to help the company oot of the jam it created for itself by being unable to attract pilots.**Many preferred to stay and how could you blame them ?*In their 40's and 50's with kids in college, many simply couldn't leave Eagle just to help the company out of...........yep, another jam they created for themselves. Of course, it does anger the young turks dreaming for the upgrade puppy mill environment so THEY can get theirs and split.*Not a sinlge pilot wanting asking for those got it either.**I think you've got it backwards. THAT generation was greatful to get the right seat of a metroliner or BE-99 with 2500 hours in their pockets along with 500 multi survivng late-night fleabag freight operators. The new Ritilan-fueled young turks are enraged they're not hired with 500 total time and 25 hours multi and aren't captain on a 70-seat jet airliner at the age of 27 with 3000 hours.*Thanks dog, you've definately made my day. I'll be laughing on and off till dinnertime.
Eagle was a "career carrier" making 100-120K/yr? Your generation made it a career carrier for who? For yourselves at the top that's who. Mainline would have flown those airplanes for the respectable captain rates that we have, but would not subject future hires for 35K/yr indefinitely so they rejected the rates. Guess who said yes to those rates, your generation. Your generation set up the pay structure that we currently operate under so you can fly shiny jets. You justify it under the guise of paying your dues. Great, now we're paying our dues on 50/70 seater jets instead of metroliners, now that you're at AA, I guess you can play the same game with 320s and 737s, newhires top out at $50 because we need to pay our dues, and it's our fault that we come to work under a scale that you signed off on. Your reasoning is total garbage.
"Many preferred to stay and how could you blame them ?*In their 40's and 50's with kids in college, many simply couldn't leave Eagle just to help the company out of...........yep, another jam they created for themselves. "
I'm not blaming them that they're staying, but to have the balls to use what leverage we have to demand an exit package instead of using it to gain contractual improvements to the pilots who are here is shows the selfishness of your entitlement generation. How is this a jam that the company created? By them paying you the wages that you negotiated and are a slave to now?
You keep saying we want to turn this place into an upgrade mill. I personally don't give a crap about the upgrade. My QOL is AWESOME as it is, they pay raise I'd get or PIC time I would get isn't worth a quarter of the QOL I'd be giving up. If I worked at AA I wouldn't mind if I was an FO for the rest of my life because they pay respectable wages. At Eagle, your generation created this wage disparity under the guise of paying your dues and now you're blaming others for wanting to upgrade. Jeeesh, take a little responsibility.