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Old 02-24-2012 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Not really. All we would have to "pay" are the lease payments...that we are already paying for 100% today. In many cases we are literally the cosigners and in quite a few cases ma DL actually owns the planes or leases them directly.

We need to move past this myth that we can't get a certain seat range back. We can and all it requires is pilot solidarity. It won't break the company either but if someone really wants to latch on to that false argument, then a B scale fixes that concern. B scales suck but are a million times better than outsourcing, which is a B scale anyway so there is zero moral high ground in claiming one is "preserving the profession" by outsourcing something at B scale rates instead of doing it ourselves.
I hear "we can't recapture scope" all the time on the line." Hold the line is the best we can hope for," typical Delta Air Lines Capt. Sad but true.

Thats why I laugh when guys defending ALPA post about unity, "you mean the kind of unity that outsources my captain seat!!, the kind of unity that was squandered after 9/11." The same pilots screaming unity are the ones that were saying back in c2k "you don't want to fly an RJ.......do ya?"

I think this is one of our last shots at recapture. We are at a tipping point. We have the leverage to take it back but I fear our pilots, being led by our association, have not made it a priority, which is why I want our representation replaced. I understand why they can't make it a priority (conflict of interest) which is why I want them off even more. They are not representing our interest plain and simple. While I feel we have a very smart group of pilots, we have been conditioned over the years by this association. If any other company was hired by anyone of us, for any kind of work to be performed and we had results similar to ALPA's over the last decade, they would be fired yesterday. Stockholm syndrome is the only logical human condition that comes to mind for our ALPA attachment.

I think you are right that a B scale would be much better than our current lot and is achievable but it first has to be a goal of our current bargaining agent.

I hate to continue to bring up the DPA/ALPA argument but it is at the center of recapturing scope.