Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
1. Agreed, although Delta has been a fan of the E175 at Compass pay rates.
2. Yes, the fact Delta management has bought airplanes to maximize allowances under scope documents this assertion. The fact Air France management in a coordinated effort with Delta management has reallocated their heavy metal across the Delta network shows the effect of the temporary relaxation in our JV enforcement protocol.
3. How many Delta managers voted at the 2000 ALPA Board of Director's meeting? Best I can recall, the number was, zero. D-ALPA did not want a merger in any event and stated their opinion via their vote.
4. Your being silly. Spirit is no comparison. Compass operates exclusively Delta flying, was owned by Delta and the NWA MEC had little difficulty with the Compass contract. Ideally, if you approached this correctly, you would desire Compass pilots be Delta pilots and thus covered by the Delta PWA.
5. Chairman McClain explained the process well in NWA's ziplines. The NWA MEC was proud of the fact bargaining credits were received in exchange for scope relaxation. Their publications are sufficient to show how the "partnership" worked. The resulting scope language was pasted into our current PWA. In addition, I am sure you are aware that folks outside the Delta MEC have our negotiators' notes. Let me know if you would like to broaden our public debate with more documentation (I've not seen them and base my opinion as to what was in those documents on the basis of the testimony published during depositions which were briefly online).
At the end of the day, if you prefer to externalize our scope failures, fine. I'm not trying to embarrass any of the truly good folks who represent us. It is water over the dam. My only goal is to focus on better policy going forward and get ALPA to fight outsourcing like the poison it is.
As for your personal insult, I'm quite comfortable calling it what it is. It takes a bit of integrity and confidence to post something here and then show up at every LEC meeting, make resolutions and participate in the process knowing some in the room would as soon rip my head off as look my way. I grew up in a better Delta and a better ALPA and expect we will all achieve that high standard. So call me what you will. You should be know readers will judge what they read here based on the objective data they can correlate and results.
1. So you state that ALPA is intentionally blocking purchase of a 100 seat jet and then you walk back from that statement immediately. Why would you state that when you have no evidence and in fact the evidence is precisely opposite to your statement.
2. None of that makes any sense in the context of ALPA having control over Delta's fleet decisions.
3. When was the vote that Delta ALPA took to oppose a merger with Comair or ASA? I don't remember ever seeing that. You do know that merging companies is entirely management's choice and ALPA has no say over whether they merge or whom they merge with. Look in the contract, it says so right there. You set up this vast conspiracy in ALPA when in fact Delta management had no intention of ever merging those companies.
4. Of course we desire Compass pilots to be part of Delta and be Delta pilots. That was not the way that organization was set up and Delta management had no intention of merging the two companies. That simply leaves the question of who should represent the Compass pilots. That answer was clearly the Compass pilots and not some other pilot group. Delta ALPA had no more right to represent them than did United or Spirit. So you state that ALPA "divested" Compass. They did nothing of the sort. They did the right thing and had Compass pilots represent themselves through their own MEC, just like the ALPA Constitution calls for.
5. You well know I had nothing to do with whatever Capt. McClain said in his ziplines. I know what happened at Delta. It was a very difficult fight. ALPA made a lengthy presentation about how we could affordably fly 76 seat aircraft at Delta. In the end, the leverage in bankruptcy was tilted heavily in management's favor. If you don't believe me, then ask the 6 out of 6 labor groups that all had their contracts rejected in bankruptcy. Now you make some veiled reference to having negotiator notes. If someone stole someone's personal notes, then they should have the guts to stand up and say what they are. For now, you get to make vague accusations about some misdeeds without having to show any evidence at all.
Don't be disingenuous. You were not trying to "make policy better". You were throwing bombs at people. Quit pretending like you weren't.
I am sure you somehow think that calling people liars, telling them they made up stories, making accusations that you know aren't true is not making personal attacks but you know you are.
I know on these forums, that you all make the rule that only certain people get to make sharp comments. This protected group gets to say anything make any attack, make any accusation, no matter how heinous or libelous. Yet this protected group is immune from taking incoming themselves. If you are going to call people liars then you should expect return fire. I do not subscribe to the unilateral rules that you specify here.