Originally Posted by Sink r8

Your posts are usually better than this. Are you saying we don't know how to "man-up" when faced with similar circumstances?

When I look at how we fared just before, and just after BK, we did about the same. That is to say your end-result looked worse, but you kept your pension, as a consensus-building exercise I assume.

As you said yourself, above, except for C2K, your manning up yielded nothing exceptional. And C2K, of course, changed that. What teary-eyed non-manning-up group negotiated that? This group.

Let's not forget your strike. We were all proud of you, no doubt about it. Except you shouldn't factor out luck. It was explained to me by a North pilot you didn't strike so much as got locked-out, and the company was pre-packaged for sale (Pacific to AMR, I think it was). Planes were getting mothballed. The White House stepped in to let it be known the Pacific authorities were not going to get transferred, and threw some other big rock in management's puddle, and that was that.

This group, the entire Delta group, is just like most pilot groups. We will defend ourselves just as much, or just as hard, any group out there. Period. Want to man-up and build consensus? Start by not making broad, insulting assumptions about your brothers' motives. We're not motivated by fear: we're motivated by the desire to find what works best.