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Old 03-07-2012 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
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OK. I don't actually know how they're chosing the number. Seems like they're making it 80 when there isn't much flying. 80 is about 40 hours, or a four-day trip and three SC. 80 is about as far as I would stretch it, and 80 means senior probably doesn't fly in a very low month, but since junior is 40 hours ahead max... I can live with it. Then again I would probably say that if you've done 2 3-day trips and one SC, senior should go out. So... 70 max?
According to ALPA, the idea was that 80 points represented something around 5 or 6 days of flying plus a short call.


On my category a day is 10-11 points. Usually 11. So basically 8 days i.e. two 4-days. A 4 day and a 3 day would not do it without a SC. And 5 to 6 days plus a short call falls very short.



But maybe in the other categories, which are a separate group anyways, a day is worth more. Which is my thing, take the longest trip in category plus a short call maybe two and I think that's a fair threshold. Of course international needs to be adjusted downwards with some of the lengths of those trips.


Originally Posted by Sink r8
I agree. Aren't we getting predictable SC, starting in May?
I believe so. The thing about reserve, three things needed to be cleaned up bad. Short Call assignments, short call counting for something and Yellow Slips. They got those in LOA 29 which is great.

Originally Posted by Sink r8
OK, it's not a winner take all, so we agree mostly. When we had a pure seniority-based system, we also had ~30% Reserves. Nowadays, Reserves in the summer merely become unscheduled lineholders, at which point the RAW buckets are really mostly about letting senior step up and volunteer early, to pick the flying he's going to fly, because he sure is going to fly. I'm all for distributing the flying according to seniority, but I'm not trying to create a privileged elite.

Which is why I sometimes don't understand how you look at senior and junior as if they are two distinct groups. It's a graduated scale. It's not "the senior" that benefit, and "the junior" that lose, it's always a question of letting the more senior of two pilots get the first shot at picking first out of two assigned trips in the summer, and about letting the senior pilot have more opportunities to sit out the winter. More, not all.
I understand your point and I agree with you. And don't see a junior vs senior separate classes here, I guess what I'm arguing for is the group that is 10-50% in reserve category. They're the ones most affected. So they're not junior, just junior to the top 10%.