Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Carl;
DAL has done conceptual openers in the past. This is where the history is coming from. Go ask your reps if they are on board with this and why. Then come back and tell us why conceptual openers that do not nail down everything to a T are better for a pilot group.
What this means is the MEC gave laser specific direction to the Negotiation committee on bullet point items in each section and then they present a conceptual opener to the company as to not give away the store.
I will wait and see what the opener is and then read it and the updates from the reps from around the system. I bet that you will get a good idea where we are going if you cannot for some reason glean it out of the opener.
Look acl, that's not how a Section 6 openers exchange works. If Delta has done it that way ever in the past, I'd be shocked. It was never the way we did it at NWA. And since we're all Delta now, you cannot state what TO said regarding this being the way it's been done in the past. It's BS. But more importantly, TO's own words betray what you're trying to spin:
You will be able to understand where and in what sections we will seek improvements,
If this was all management was getting as well because Delta just exchanges "concepts", why would he need to say this?:
but it is important that negotiations occur in the negotiating room and not in public.
If we're getting the same "conceptual" document that management is getting, wouldn't that be "negotiating in public"?
It's OK though. Let's stop all this negativity and talk about the next AE. Do you think will see some advancement? How about tying up with Hawaiian or Alaska? What's the latest rumor there? Think that will make us hire soon?
Carl