Are you admitting that SPA ALPA gave away the farm in scope and scheduling in Contract 2010? If you're implying that my Nego committee's work product would have given away scope and scheduling, I would remind you of what I just wrote. I repeat, the MEC I worked for was not willing to sign the deal that you apparently think they were ready to sign. They gave away nothing. They were willing to take over pairing building and to choose and manage a pref bid system but the company wanted total control of pref bid; giving the company total control of pref bid was unacceptable and therefore the deal was not done.

The MEC I worked for was willing to give Carlson the training dept except for jeopardy events, a move that was worth $18/hour for ever hour flown over the expected duration of the contract. And all of the MEC members, except me and the DTW Captains Rep, were instructors at the time. They were willing to give up their huge training dept benefits in order to make huge gains for the entire pilot group. Maybe it was just Herb's ego in needing to be know as the guy who got the best contract, but whatever their motivation they were willing to take the personal hit in order to get the best overall deal.

As I said, they were not willing to concede their/our/your expectations and never ordered the nego comm. to make a lower second offer. As you probably know, the company never countered our pay proposals, they just said NO. We stuck to our opener numbers until they were willing to make a counter and they never formally counter offered.

I said that Contract 2010 is cost neutral because we essentially took their last, pre strike offer (which was cost neutral as far as I could tell) and moved some dollars from 401K match over into senior FO pay and then signed the deal. And I know Franke's intention to get a cost neutral deal. I can't prove cost neutral, but I can prove that we effectively signed a "B" scale for junior Captains, and I can prove that we gave up another workday per month with 90 hour lines. And I can prove that all day off work (OT) is now flown at straight pay.In my non scientific way, those gives gave Mr. Franke his cost neutral contract.

Scott, you once claimed to know and like me. Why would you counter my statements about Herb when I was there and you were not? As far as I know, you only know me through what you've heard from others and as far as I know, you only know Herb through what you've heard from others. And, what you know about what I say is incorrect, so why should I give credence to your thoughts on Herb?

Why are negative comments about a man who has moved on "well deserved"? Do you have any personal issue with the guy, or are you just passing on hearsay?