Uh... where on earth do you get THAT line of logic? I won't try to speak for sailing, but anybody that has been paying any attention would realize that it is his (sailing's) line of reasoning that wants DALPA involved in future negotiations with management. It is the Carls and donut crowd that thinks we can just demand things and they will be granted. USA management learned from what happened at DAL... they are just NOW catching on, however I'll betcha there is some disingenuity there in that because of their labor strife they have very low costs there.. they laugh all the way to the bank over that...