Originally Posted by Pontius Pilot

I'm all for riding it in. I will not stand for this "term sheet". I think we should come up with our own terms.

I would rather make them so weak that they get bought out by USAirways or Delta. At least then we would have the satisfaction of seeing a huge majority of the upper echelons of management get their walking papers.

This is Union busting.

There is a saying that we are governed because we consent to be governed. I believe much of that originates with John Locke and his Second Treatise of Civil Government. So in essence we are only bound to these onerous terms if we consent to them. All we have to do is stand as a group and say "No More". We are not bound by the NMB or NLRB or RLA unless we consent to be bound by it. The more of us that stand united against it and declare that we will no longer be governed by these rules, the more the likely the outcome in our favor. Its is a form of protest.

We consent to allow our unions to become weak.

Yes, we can effect change if we truly stand together.

I just wonder how long we're all going to take it until it becomes utterly unbearable? Flying E190s for $25 an hour? 7 days off a month? No guarantee? No per diem? What is our collective breaking point?

And whats the worst that happens if we stand up against all this bs? We get ordered back to work. Ok, and if we don't go? Are they going to put thousands of pilots in jail? I know they certainly aren't going to replace us all. They can't put us all in jail. They can't make us all go back to work if we don't want to and don't allow ourselves to be scared into going back.

I understand this is scary stuff I'm talking about. Probably about as scary as the colonies sending a letter to their dear King stating they were done with his crap. But that's what prevents us from standing united and standing up to this crap - fear.