Wow. I'm surprised it took until page two for Zooropa to stick his dirty nose in here.
Originally Posted by
zoooropa
Devils advocate....
Why not sign an LOA for the new FO rates (company ask) in exchange for __________ (union ask)?
You already know (or you should at least know) that we tried that already and were rejected soundly. So trying to reason with these people went nowhere. What would you have done?
Surely someone on property has come to the realization that the NMB might not release you and the company might not give in to your every demand. I remember a lot of people claiming that a strike would occur by Christmas 2011.
Yes, some of us might have been a little eager with their positions. So what? We're prepared. We can't control the NMB, but neither can RAH. It's amazing how some people don't think that much of us, but when we do try to improve our station, we're told to sit in our place. Well, which one is it?
I keep hearing "strike" and "jet blue rates", but no one is talking about the parking of aircraft and pay cuts at other FFD carriers.
Nice job pressing the arguments put forth by management. Not our problem. If a company can't do business and pay its people a living wage, maybe it doesn't deserve to be in business.
I wish you luck with your negotiations, but i have to ask, will you still be patting yourself on the back for turning down a pay raise if/when you find yourself in the same spot this time next year? No sections TA'd, no closer to release (there is no correlation between time spent in mediation and release, some groups have been released very early like the spirit pilots while others have been in mediation for years like the AA FA's), eagle decimated (you saw they are closing the rock, right?), pinnacle pay cuts, $3.30+ a gallon fuel.....
Challenging times. I wonder if your E-Board and NC have allowed expectations to get so unrealistic for such a prolonged period of time that they have backed themselves (and the membership) into a corner.
You all appear to be waiting for the "perfect" deal. Unfortunately, those deals do not exist. Often, by the time this realization occurs, even an "ok" has already sailed away into the sunset.
So, let me see if I have this right. The company has made a single offer: No changes to work rules, Pinnacle +2 percent for FOs and no changes in Captain book rates. There has been no budging on their side. You know our book rates. Are you claiming that we should simply accept their offer because that's been the best thing to come along in five years? Am I hearing you correctly? Or has my peabrain RJ-pilot intellect failed to grasp some item of significance that you were trying to impart?
The union's sole attempt at creating leverage where there is none is the "don't work here" campaign. This may dissuade the lateral move "regional to regional" guys but you will never convince a flight instructor to turn down the job.
Again, I would love for you guys to get JetBlue +1 tomorrow, but from the outside looking in it appears that you guys are exactly where you were back in October 2007. In other words, you have achieved nothing in almost five years.
I could state the obvious by counting the number of people required to perform a dance popular in South America, but I fear the point would be lost. What I will say is this: When it comes to matters of trade unionism, responses or advice from you or your brethren is neither solicited nor appreciated. I'd rather you keep sneering at me from afar.