Originally Posted by
airbill
Wow. I'm surprised it took until page two for Zooropa to stick his dirty nose in here.
You already know (or you should at least know) that we tried that already and were rejected soundly. So trying to reason with these people went nowhere. What would you have done?
Yes, some of us might have been a little eager with their positions. So what? We're prepared. We can't control the NMB, but neither can RAH. It's amazing how some people don't think that much of us, but when we do try to improve our station, we're told to sit in our place. Well, which one is it?
Nice job pressing the arguments put forth by management. Not our problem. If a company can't do business and pay its people a living wage, maybe it doesn't deserve to be in business.
So, let me see if I have this right. The company has made a single offer: No changes to work rules, Pinnacle +2 percent for FOs and no changes in Captain book rates. There has been no budging on their side. You know our book rates. Are you claiming that we should simply accept their offer because that's been the best thing to come along in five years? Am I hearing you correctly? Or has my peabrain RJ-pilot intellect failed to grasp some item of significance that you were trying to impart?
I could state the obvious by counting the number of people required to perform a dance popular in South America, but I fear the point would be lost. What I will say is this: When it comes to matters of trade unionism, responses or advice from you or your brethren is neither solicited nor appreciated. I'd rather you keep sneering at me from afar.
Wow you are getting sensitive. Thank you very much for the reference to "trade unionism", by the way. I am not sure what you are talking about with regard to the sneering, but it was a nice way to wrap up the post none the less. Why is my nose "dirty"?
Any who, I never said you should sit in your place. I did suggest that you adapt your methods. You have been beating the same drum now since day one, and it has gotten you no where. I wasn't rubbing your nose in a pile of dogsh1t, just observing what seems to be a failing strategy.
Originally Posted by
Oskeewowow
Once again, a F9 pilot chimes in knowing very little about what we are asking from the company. Yes, JetBlue pay rates are our starting point for the 190. We are very in tune with the fact that most of our revenue comes from FFD flying. Our expectations are in line with that. Personally, I want what my peers at Skywest, Expressjet, Horizon, and Eagle (pre-bankruptcy) have. Cancellation pay, trip/duty rigs, fair payrates, realistic scheduling & duty rules, vacancy rules that respect seniority. We've made this management team filthy rich over the years. A better contract would be a nice way of saying thank you, and as proven by our negotiating team, will not break the bank.
Instead of criticizing us, why don't you support your fellow pilots in attempting to raise he bar for this industry.
Again, I did not criticize you. I did in fact wish you luck and express my hope that you achieve everything that you are asking for and more. My theme, explained in yet another point of view, is simply that the aviation world is rapidly evolving around us (RAH). AMR BK, reduction in 50 seaters, divestiture of Frontier.
The airline industry, and RAH, are not the same as they were in 2003, or 2007 or even 2011. Regardless, instead of making tactical adjustments, the IBT negotiation approach (from an outsider looking in) appears to be the same old same old.
"FU pay me" certainly rolls off the tongue nicely, but it very rarely if ever produces any measurable benefit.
Please forgive my dirty nose from butting into your business. This isn't a criticism, just an observation. Your negotiating tactics have not been successful and while I hate cliches, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is some peoples' definition of insanity.
Too me, it is just poor negotiating.