ACL65,

Expect scope to be a muddy mess with ALPA calling it an "improvement" and thinking pilots calling it a sell out.

Management wants more large narrow body jet outsourcing. Lets see if they get it.

Needs to be 10, then off to infinity at 5% with no scope sale. Management's only motivation is the scope piece. If we hold ALPA's feet to the fire, they will blame us for the lack of movement.

In American's case, I actually think they are better off by not accepting raises combined with a scope sale. I hope they put the issue of labor protective provisions to a Judge and still maintain their pay. Given their industry position and the still quick timeline, I'd say the lack of time is on their side.