Originally Posted by
shiznit
Is all of Section 1 part of your math when considering the gain or loss in scope?
Currently DAL has unlimited off-list:
50 and below jets
70 and below turboprops
JV flying (except with Skyteam transatlantic)
Alaska Codeshare and other international codeshare
AND 255 off-list 51-76 jets.
Would would you agree or disagree that it would be a gain or loss in scope if:
Capped and PERMANENTLY reduced (over a set timeframe) all 50 seat jets and no renewal permitted off-list
0 off-list future turborprop flying
ALL JV flying required to be 50% DAL pilot EASK's/block hours/whatever metric), lookback average returned to 1 year instead of 3, with monthly financial penalties paid to the Delta Pilots when out of compliance.
ALL codehares have time limits or cutoff points if the codeshare is a revenue deal
Alaska codeshare is limited/reduced over time/ sunsetted completely.
DAL can operate 1 more 51-76 seat RJ's off-list for every 2.5 50 seat jets that are removed from service, up to a limit of X airframes (say 50-100)?
Is it a gain or loss....
***DISCLAIMER***The above is NOT anyone's scope proposal(mine, company, or union), just a hypothetical question.
Gotta go, I'll be interested to see what guys think later.
Shiznit, it's a matter of perspective...
Let's see:
- 70-76 seaters were scope concessions of the past
- The 153 number was based off a poor settlement
- Delta could have unlimited Q400s right now but doesn't
- Delta doesn't want the 50 seater anymore (said sleepy ED)
- We had a 1 year compliance window and it was given away by TO with LOA14
- Alaska codeshare was quietly added to the Joint contract in 2008 (supposedly "good for us")
Delta is trying to extricate itself from the 50-seaters. So Ed is talking about a "creative solution" working with DCI and the aircraft OEMs to make that happen.
Let's not forget that Delta grew the now problematic RJ fleet while Delta pilots were furloughed.
DCI had explosive growth.
It's nothing short of unbelievable that Delta would have the audacity to ask Delta pilots to loosen scope now to get out of a self created mess that–to top it off–was detrimental to Delta pilots.
Back to the very detailed "proposal"
The positives I see, should be items added as part of Section 6.
All JVs should have production balance regardless of financial arrangements.
Given the history on scope we shouldn't have to give up anything to see gains, it's already an admittedly concessionary Section 1.
Trading scope for scope is like shifting money from savings to checking and marveling at the new checking account balance.
Scope needs to improve without any givebacks in other scope.
The Delta pilots more than held up their part of the deal and helped the company to get to where we are today. Delta pilots are the key to Deltas operation, quite often the grease that makes the operation work in spite of the warts and flaws.
It's time the company honored that commitment and professionalism by making a commitment to having Delta pilots fly Delta aircraft. Let's remember, Delta can have unlimited 76 seat jets right now with Delta pilots at the controls...
Cheers
George