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Recap, rumor is we've gotten a 717 deal with SWA in place, that the terms for Delta are highly highly favorable and DALPA is being asked for scope concessions to bring it on the line, right?
In essence, DAL has secured 717s but to bring them to mainline is to make a concession to us so what will we concede in return?
Now, if this is true, what does that say?
To me it says the demarcation line between DCI and mainline is not at the 76 seat limit where we think it is.
To me it says like the DC9-30 is no different than the 65 seat DC9-14 that preceded it decades ago. Once off the mainline property is never to come back unless its outsourced.
The 717 is a DC9-30 in size, so to bring it to mainline is to make a concession.
I guess whoever mentioned that they didn't want to see anything smaller than the MD-88 at mainline is getting their way minus the grandfathered fleet of 737-700s and A319s and outgoing DC9-50s:
So the mainline vs DCI demarcation line is probably 150 seats or less minus grandfathered equipment:
But since we're giving scope up on the bottom end we need to do it on the top end and with all the JV's it sure seems as if we are sharing those super premium widebodies.
Therefore, what belongs to mainline is 150-300 seats. The rest is to be outsourced or shared.
If the scope concession rumor is true.
Excellent post and it correlates with a point we've been making for years ...
The CRJ and the EMB are 100 to 122 seat
TYPE CERTIFICATES. Management, the FAA and every one else in the business sees these airplanes as Types. Using that metric Giambusso, then Moak, ceded 100 seat flying a decade ago.
ALPA has been playing this game of "we want to fly this and will protect those jobs" and "we don't want to fly that and we will try to limit them" for years.
We will see what happens. ALPA has a tough road these next 12 to 24 months. I am sure they are aware their future on the property depends on how Section 1 is handled. Combine this threat with the TWA lawsuit and ALPA is facing challenges which are existential.