First of all, it's "ill-effects".
Thank you for the correction.
Secondly, who's talking about the ill-effects of Delta? What does that even mean?
I used to term, "ill-effects", (albeit spelled wrong at first) to help relay the message of your Donut Hole Club. "Vote for us, or D-ALPA, along with their constructive engagement with Delta Mgmt. will continue to erode the pilot profession!!"
Isn't that about right Carl? No other organization other than your Krispy Kreme Fan Club can save the day for the Delta pilots?
Translation: Vote for us, or suffer the ill-effects of the declination of our career/profession at the hands of Delta Mgmt. & D-ALPA.
Many pilots have given up on ALPA/DALPA.
Are you calling your fellow pilots "quitters" Carl? There's a strong vote of confidence. You did say they have "given up".
So much so, they don't care about getting communications that they believe is mostly lies and spin.
So if they "don't care" (you words) about the communication our current union puts out, how can they make an informed decision on whether they want/need a new one? Because you say they do Carl?
Let me include an example Carl. A couple weeks ago, I had lunch with a friend of mine & his wife in MSP. Just for the record, he's a Delta (pmNWA) 7ER pilot in MSP. He starts ranting & raving about how weak the opener was, and how vague it was, and that he actually got two more Delta (pmNWA) pilot friends of ours to fill out a card. I then asked him, if he knew that it was only a "conceptual" opener provided to the pilot group, & that the information about the opener being "conceptual" was communicated by D-ALPA. Needless to say, he wanted to hear more about the comms "he'd missed" from D-ALPA, & felt "sheepish" about his ranting & raving, not having known all the facts.
Hence my problem with (some of) the people on this board, ranting & raving about how poor a job D-ALPA has done with the "conceptual" opener, while being quite probable, that they haven't seen the comms from D-ALPA.
How about this one: The elected reps say they've heard our voices loud and clear, and as such, they will expect nothing less than an industry leading contract. The MEC comes out and says: We're going for a "superior contract".
How about this one:
D-ALPA - We're not going to show our opener, it'd be like "showing our hand in poker".
CARL - OH MY LORD. OH MY GOD! In the 30 years I've been an airline pilot I've never seen such an atrocity! (With a few other drama-filled posts intermingled in there about Sailing & Slowplay being LIARS.)
D-ALPA - (fast forward four months) - We're opening Section 6 early due to some perceived benefits for the pilot group. Here is your opener, conceptual in nature.
DO I NEED TO CONTINUE CARL? Is your thick cranium starting to understand? (You must be Norwegian?)
You, of all people Carl, shouldn't be the one making "speculative based" arguments about D-ALPA communication.
Regardless, that ship has sailed. We couldn't get enough cards in time for the "opener" to be exchanged.
Huh, that's too bad. How many times have the donuts pushed to the right their expectations of a vote? Twice.
So if you want to continue to insult your fellow pilots who wanted a different union, do so on the other thread.
Not insulting anyone Carl. Quit being such a drama queen.
I don't know how many times I have to tell you this.
One more time Carl, because everyone had to listen to you. Your wife, assuming you're married, (highly doubtful) must be an angel to put up with someone like you, who's obviously never wrong.
GJ
P.S. Typed on my iPhone. Excuse minor "quote" errors.