I'd like to avoid the APA path.

They tried to justify their huge "ask" using a number of analogies; former pay rates adjusted for inflation, management compensation, former sacrifices. None of it matters. Get over it.

We all need to live in the here and now. What you guys made in 2004 does not matter to the NMB. That's a brick wall that you cannot get by. If you think that you are going to get a 43% pay raise, you are going to wait, and wait, and wait, and bypass thousands of dollars of income.

I'm suggesting that all of us need to analyze any deal that comes our way, evaluate it based on today's industry, and make a rational decision. That's all. If we get more than SWA on an hourly basis and I don't have to kill myself flying that type of SWA schedule out of SLC for the next 10 years, I'll vote yes (on the pay part). Scope needs to be evaluated independently.

That's what I want.