You did not answer the question. Why do you want it and why is it any of your business? We want improvements in ALL areas. The line swine does not have the details. We are currently slightly above the 1992 NWA rates without a DB plan and many other things(not to mention our or the Delta pre bankruptcy rates). Now the word in our circles is that y'all are much closer, if not at your pre bankruptcy pay. So to me the only group at Delta that should get and deserve a large improvement is the pilot group.