Personally it was over for me when I saw the proposals. Staples are pretty much illegal unless mutually agreed upon after AA/TWA. No group would or should ever agree to that due to the danger in precedent that it would set in future mergers. A good integration means 95% of people are not happy with some aspect of it. I'm now junior in my post MKE home to two lynx guys I was senior to in GRR 2 years ago. To me that's the difference between line and reserve some months. I don't complain because those are the cards I got dealt. If it were a DOH merger I would be senior to both. I don't accuse them of seniority grabs. I expect the same from you. Knowing how labor relations outside of our little bubble work was important to me given how the industry is in a consolidation phase. It was clear to me the other groups did not get it. This whole mess has spiraled out if control. Personally if F9 is successfully spun off and they can find a way to show that they are two completely separate companies (not convinced they can do it in the current market) then I want the whole award blown up, redone, let the Midwest guys go with you, and give us some preferential hiring in the future to the bottom of the list above the 20 or so who bailed out from here a year or so ago. I'm more than comfortable taking a little hit to have one list and really set up what should be in place everywhere. Get hired on as a lowly FO on the smallest plane and work your way up to the left seat of the biggest one. Someone always gets screwed in business deals. Its the drawback of a seniority based system. Without a national seniority number it can always happen. If we ever get this TA done the amalgamation process should be entertaining, and the F9 crowd should be paying close attention to what is happening. I know you think you will be free soon but if it doesn't happen the next fight you are actually with us.