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Old 04-07-2012 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Nothing was taken out of context. You asked for opinions to gauge a response to a proposal that in your opinion improved scope by allowing larger jets to be outsourced in exchange for fewer in number. Pilots piled on with opinions that your proposal was not something that they would find acceptable. When your trial balloon came back all shot full of holes, the logical extrapolation was that our MEC should get the same result from their trial balloon and crap can the "re-balancing" version of a scope sale concept.

Don't know how you determine standard deviation from comments on this board (which were unanimous against your concept). Perhaps you are privy to the survey data which shows pay as by far the leading interest of Delta pilots. If so, consider that the survey did not consider whether a scope concession was an immediate existential threat to ALPA as the bargaining agent for Delta pilots going forward.

I support ALPA, but more so, I support my fellow pilots (even you). Unity does not allow more outsourcing, even if fewer 70 seaters (ahem ... unwanted 50 seaters) balance the deal. Management can get them, but a Delta Pilot must fly them.

Why not negotiate a lower DAL 70 seater rate that puts us in the game and give the widebody guys more money? That's more of a win / win than more out sourcing and really, the productivity of the larger jets justify more of a pay differential than we have now.
Agreed.. especially the part about ne-go-ti-ate. "Scope or nope"... "not one more seat one more pound"... is not negotiating.. If I were the company and the negotiators walked in with that, I would laugh because I know that I have you under a BK contract, and will remain so for a long time. IMHO. You can call it what you will as far as my position goes. I will tell you this.. I will not vote to allow any more outsourcing. That being said, I will not vote to pay to recover any either. Hold the line, and let them die of natural causes (which by the way will not happen until I am near retirement).