Originally Posted by
Scoop
Slow,
You are missing my point. Lets be consistent. Its only the real world at the DCI level? AMR, UCAL and USAIR will somehow not prohibit our ability to get a pay-raise in section 6, but the DCI carriers you mention will not allow anyone to pay a higher rate on that equipment ever?
QUIT with the spin zone you're trying to apply to my posts.
I didn't miss your point. Show me where I stated what you write above (..."ever"...how dramatic of you.)
My opinion...AMR, UCAL and USAIR's current books and circumstances hurt our ability to maximize our payraise in this contract.
We will get a payraise...but if the pattern were closed (those 3 carriers paying what we currently pay) it would be an
even bigger raise. Why have none of the three carriers that have higher payrates than us been able to exceed our C2K rates over the last 8 years even though they've been highly profitable and never been bankrupt?
Originally Posted by
Scoop
You say pattern bargaining works both ways - is that except for DCI which will always and forever go down?
Nope. I showed you an up pattern that was only closed by 3 carriers (C2K by DAL, UAL, and AAA) and those were the first 3 to the courts. The pattern got closed going down, with the legacy industry rates within a few dollars of each other. Again, I point out that with the rest of the industry in BK or self-imposed restructuring the 3 profitable carriers still haven't come close to those open pattern rates. DCI rates are exposed due to the bankruptcies that are now visiting their segment of the industry. They're not unlike our position in 2004-5.
Originally Posted by
Scoop
IF DALPA can bargain up mainline rates (and at times has) why do you showcase some bottom feeding DCI carriers and declare it a lost cause concerning DCI?
Again, stop with your spin. Where did I say "lost cause"?
You made that conclusion.
I wouldn't call PCL, Comair, or American Eagle "bottom feeders" and they're not all DCI. They're all looking at significantly restructured contracts. SkyWest, Inc., formerly the most profitable of the regionals is breaking even and losing flying to the "bottom feeders", and it is a big UAL provider.
Nice use of the term "showcase" Bob Barker...maybe you can throw up a picture of one of your "price is right" beauties.
Originally Posted by
Scoop
No one is saying costs do not matter. We should all agree we are constrained by the current environment, and maybe the 70 seater economics will not presently work at Delta but what about the E190?
Actually Bar referenced economics not being a factor...in his post about unity.
(That is why we must separate unity from economics.)