Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Well, that's just not true. The problem with this situation is that if the facts point to a conclusion that doesn't match certain people's preconceived expectations, then you are accused of "managing expectations," or in other words "don't confuse me with the facts." Here is just a sample of the problems you might face in this analysis. Here are some sample pay rates all from the second year, with the exception of our probationary rate that is thrown in for reference only:

Industry average 76 seat F/O : $35.40
DL probationary pay..............: $58.59
DL 76 seat F/O.....................: $58.59
Industry average 76 seat CA..: $64.60
DL MD-88 F/O......................: $84.50
DL A-320 F/O.......................: $86.46
DL 737 F/O..........................: $89.68
DL 76 Seat CA.....................: $107.71

The average hourly cost for second year pay at regionals is $100.00 per hour for the whole crew. At DL pay it is $166.30. That is pay only. Factor in 14% DC, work rules, disability, and the rest and you can see where easily our pilot costs are almost double the regionals. That is before we get whatever pay raise is your "Personal Minimum" in the ongoing negotiations. Right now the top of scale rates for 76 seat F/O's is about 30% below our probationary pay.

This doesn't imply any answer to any question. It is just the statement that this hasn't been studied is just completely false.

I gave two year rates, but this disparity exists all throughout the longevity steps. The problems it can generate cascade down in many different ways, but I am already going to be firebombed for "managing expectations" so I will just quit while I am behind. Just imagine a career path for a pilot that comes in at mainline narrowbody first officer and one that comes in at industry standard 76 seat wages. Show me those career paths and how a pilot in each path has equal pay over their first five years. The problems are incredibly complex.

By the way, all of this information is available to anyone that would take a couple of hours to do the research. Doing that work might be a better path to making an informed decision.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Ironic that someone would quote John Adams to support tyranny.

The Delta MEC supposes the Delta pilots are too stupid and uninformed to know what is best for them. For the most part, I suppose the MEC is correct.