I can't believe anyone would come on this forum and defend CAL's work rules or treatment of pilots. Coming from the Air Force I didn't understand work rules, but I do now. The military has better rules for fighting fatigue in a combat zone than CAL has for flying passengers around. I'm also tired of UAL pilots coming on here and making generalizations of CAL pilots. Most of the CAL pilots I have flown with are sick and tired of the crap going on at CAL and want a change for the better. This bickering back and forth does jack s%$t for our end goal. We both worked under crappy contracts at different companies, now we work under crappy contracts for the same company. We should all have one common enemy, and one common goal.