iahflyr - I wouldn't waste much time with these guys. You have got to understand that they have always looked out for themselves - it's the culture. No respect for anything! I bet a few would take Social Security away from their own parents if they thought it would save them a buck. Let 'em rant on how good it was to not give their retirees a priority - I think CAL retirees even had to pay even the guys with more that 25 years.