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Old 04-16-2012 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
As long as there is a domestic codeshare with AS the "line in the sand" about 76-seats at DCI seems academic to me:
  • AS can carry 86 pax per plane, DCI caps out at 76
  • AS can perform up to 25% of all hub-to-hub flying, DCI is limited to 6%
So in a nutshell AS can do more than four times the hub-to-hub flying compared to what DCI is permitted to fly, and SEA and LAX are specifically excluded as hubs...
I want that type of scope closed, pronto. Same goes for Virgin Australia and the imminent JV:
  • VA gets 3 LAX Australia flights, DAL get one
  • VA flies 777-300, DAL flies 777-200
  • Vigin Australia pilots connect beyond pax in Australia
  • In the US AS, DCI and Delta share beyond passengers
All of this is possible as long as Delta maintains 4 flights/week to Australia.
In return Delta can place it's code on unlimited VA flights so long as it's not more than 175 pax

In speaking to other pilots recently I noticed that many seem unaware or uninformed about these arrangements, perhaps because the side of the plane doesn't sport the name Delta "as part of a phrase," but the threat from domestic codeshare and international JVs is real and we are contractually naked when it comes to either...
As crappy as the current 3-year open compliance window is for our AFKLM/AZ JV, the rest of that agreement still is some of the best codeshare language we have. Close the 3 year window and make it right and I won't have complaints...
Looking ahead debating the 76-seat conundrum seems petty considering multinational JVs.

What if Delta entered into a JV with Emirates tomorrow?



As it stands today our PWA, Delta could place 175 pax on every Emirates flight...so long as there were 4 Delta flights per week to DXB,
Closing that loophole is a much more pressing concern. What is the CASM for Emirates on the 777-300ER, or the A380?

Cheers
George

Exactly and that is why Section 1 needs major improvements. I have been using the Virgin Australia and EK examples as ways that we could get totally hosed and it would all be on the up and up with the wording in the PWA.