Ferd, I'm still buzzin' from the beers I had with the 717 sim guru here in the ATL. He lives a block away from me. Boeing owns the 717 sims and their Alteon branch provides the service in Atlanta. Plenty of sims available locally. I'm sure we could still use those sims and the service from Alteon and use our instructors. That's a fact jack!.......n coke.