Well put, but I think the reality is that we've always traded Scope for pay. Not just ALPA, us, in what we ask for. I think it's almost a miracle that we're finally putting Scope higher on the list. So, if you read between O'Malley's line, you also have to read between everyone else's lines: mostly, they want PAYRATES. Many of us will give jobs away for pay, which is insanely short-sighted, but soooo instantly gratifying. So you're fighting that contradiction.

I think we on APC are fairly junior in general, and between junior, and DPA leveraging Scope for their push, we all say we never will sell any Scope.

The main question in my mind isn't isn't whether we'll make any Scope sales in the transactions, but whether we'll also make some purchases with our leverage, how, where, and for how much.

If we're buying the right to reduce obsolete 50-seaters, and trade for 76-seaters, and that's all we accomplish, we're pretty stupid. I sure hope that's not what TO is suggesting.