Originally Posted by
Nevets
Do you expect the ERJ side to agree to anything that isn't at least as good as they have now? If getting something better means flying going somewhere else, so be it. I personably don't want to sell myself out.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Expressjet was headed for bankruptcy, you were expensive and continental pulled a lot of flying, gee I wonder...your industry leading contract must have had nothing what so ever to do with that.
Expressjet got bought, yet they still have the desire to want to sink the company that bailed them out of having to take concessions. No one gets a better contract in BK and now y'all are not headed for it, that is unless you want to sink ASA too. And for what? A few years of another "industry leading" contract only to be praying you dont go BK when mainline drops you years down the road?
Your a contractor, in fact a sub contractor, and yet you demand to be paid as if there is no one else that mainline can turn to for a regional feed. GoJets is the classic example, or mesa, or whoever.
Growth = movement and better schedules, and thats exactly what will not happen when you get to be the most expensive. Im not saying we go the route of being broke and flying like GoJets, but we are far from that...lets get a better contract, but not one that blows everything everyone else has away. In a perfect world we would be getting paid the same as mainline and have 100% job security, blah blah blah. Get over it, your at a regional, if your a lifer...sorry, but most of us want to move on and not sit as FOs for a decade either. Getting paid over 100k a year (left seat)...and thats only after 10 years isn't bad. But its never enough...
First of all, not a lifer (that I know of yet at least), I'm a 7 year FO. Second, the reason why XJT was going bl was because of the whipsaw that CAL and SKW pulled on XJT, NOT because of our industry leading contract. Third, the main reason SKW bought XJT and decided to merge it with ASA (a concession from their first buyout attempt) was because soon ASA was going to start losing money when lowered to the 2nd lowest DCI carrier. So don't try to pretend like ASA or SKW were saviors in this. I have no desire to sink anything but like I said, do you expect the ERJ pilots to agree to ANYTHING that is not at least as good as we have now? If that is too much to ask for, then I'm perfectly ok with staying separate. Like I said, it's the ERJ side growing but even if it wasn't, I'm personally not interested in giving anything I have for a CHANCE at being the next Gojet. I suggest you come up with a plan B so you are not so beholden and desperate to give stuff up and sell yourself up for that supposed fast upgrade and job at mainline.
Originally Posted by
Nevets
Do you expect the ERJ side to agree to anything that isn't at least as good as they have now? If getting something better means flying going somewhere else, so be it. I personably don't want to sell myself out.
Amazing 401k? It's not amazing by any stretch of the imagination!
The ERJ side has had industry leading wages and it's actually growing in number of aircraft.
Industry leading wages? I hate to break it to you, but 9L, XJ, end 9E actually surpass yours at maturity. Where does that get us, CH11. If you want a ticket to the dance, by all means join us.
Wages was the wrong word. Our compensation, not including soft time in our contract, we have a industry leading 401k and defined contribution plan. When you add up just those into our wages, we get close to most CRJ900 compensation. And we are growing. If it brings us to bk, so be it. I'll go do something else.