Yes, and Amerijet, Republic, GoJet, UsAir and many others have pathetic wages. And I'm certain ALPA represented FedEx created those industry top wages UPS signed on. And was it not ALPA carriers UAL/DAL/NWA/UsAir that created the level of wages SWA pilots now enjoy. Riding coat tails Carl. It's not the answer Carl. But you just keep spinning your wheels. You'll end up some where eventually.