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Fascinating comment.
DAL 88 Driver,
I don't agree with some of what you say, and I don't agree with the suggestion the other union would get the job done, but I think your motivations are to better our circumstances, and that's good.
I only see one problem with what you post, and it's not related not a lack of reasoning or consistency. You have zero apparent interest in any viewpoint that doesn't fully conform to yours. You're very clever at using a person's post, but only for the purpose of crafting another version of your own argument. You know how to dissect, and you know how to read; you just refuse to actual consider.
It's like having a religious "discussion" with a born-again christian. You might think you're discussing something with them, but when you think back on it, you realize that you were just on the receiving end of an attempt to convert. Nothing you ever say could possibly matter, or change their outlook.
Makes you a great master-debater, but a lousy person to have a conversation with. It's a little like trying to arguing LBP with TSquare, when he's in that mood.
This is probably going to surprise you... but I agree with most of what you just posted. I am absolutely committed to the idea that our profession is no less important and valuable than it was 10 years ago and for decades prior to that. I have never accepted nor will I accept that a 42% cut, loss of pension, and outsourcing of a large percentage of our jobs is a situation that warrants a traditional approach of getting whatever modest, typical gains as if we are in a normal circumstance/condition. That is absolutely not debatable with me. And you are right, on that I will not budge, and I will continue to try and convince those who think otherwise to see it that way. I think, if you'll really be fair about it, you'll agree that most of the time I am respectful in the way I go about that.
The only place I disagree with your post is when you say that I do not consider other viewpoints. I do listen, and I do critically think about what's being said. If I see something that merits a change in my thinking, I adjust accordingly. If you'll remember, I have compromised on the idea that we should expect to get C2K+COLA all in one bite. I would accept SWA+ as a minimum level of compensation for this contract. I think that's reasonable. And part of the way I got there was some of the other opinions I have read here.