[QUOTE=alfaromeo;1187342]No, this is condescending: Put your damn man pants on and quit whining like a girl.

What do you have against girls?

It is not understandable for a senior guy not to know his contract because that is just lazy. So once again, put your man pants on and quit whining like a little girl.

By senior, do you mean senior in category or high seniority number? I fly with a lot of high seniority number pilots, many do not understand the contract. You learn the contract by it "screwing" you, not by reading it and having an aha moment. BTW, please lighten up on the girls.

The reserve system we have now is light years better than the one I worked under when I was junior on reserve. We were on short call every day, we had no such thing as long call, and we had fewer days off. IF we reach an agreement, this reserve system will be the best reserve system we have ever had in my career at Delta.

I walked uphill to school in waist deep snow both ways too.

IF we reach an agreement? Really? Do you think we are that shallow?

I am still not seeing how this reserve system will be the "best" we've ever had. It seems concessionary.

Even more days off, more pay, more opportunities to control your schedule.

More days off that are removed by calling a 31 day month a 30 day month? More pay is good, but how much of that bump in reserve guarantee is paid for by other reserve concessions?

There are some items that are concessions but that is why they call it negotiations. Each side has to get something out of the deal.

Please splain me why there are any concessions - besides saying its because we are in negotiations. The company gets known labor costs and "harmony" for access to capital. That ought to be enough.

do you want to have a real negotiation that actually occurs in the grown up world?

yes.

IF we reach a deal, then we will improve every section of our contract, especially Section 1.

Waiting for the deal that is probably being briefed to the MEC right now.

We will also shove hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in our pockets, IF we can reach a deal.

Gee, I guess it was too polyannish to hope for a billion.

you better be ready to have some give and take at the table.

If I try to taste some food on my wifes plate, she hits my hand with her fork.

If you offer a monkey hundreds and hundreds of bananas and then want a few back, what do you think the monkey will do? Even a monkey will make that trade.

Is this monkey in bankruptcy?

Alfa, you are sharing some good info with us and for that I appreciate your involvement. I have to believe that the NC is trying to do their best and appreciate that at least 2 of them had a contract administration background.

Certainly I do not expect you to see things from my POV completely... everyone's POV is different. I hope there is no open ended, best effort, promised goodies if... language.

Concessions are not warranted either. IMO.