DING, DING, DING. You hit the nail on the head. Let's look at the big picture. Mgmt cannot give us a huge pay raise on the published pay scales or the other labor groups will be looking for their "me too" they've always had. Keeps the other unions off the property. They most likely offered "shadow" pay raises like the announced increases in reserve ALV, or things like 5:15 per calendar day regardless of start time. Makes those 10:30-12:30 crappy three days with a red eye on the backside always in open time worth 15:45 for the same amt of work. Increases in vacation/training credit also I imagine plus some other stuff. I just don't (and never did) see mgmt giving a big % pay raise other groups will point to and get ****ed about. If it's 4,8,3,3 then add a few extra hrs a month for the same amt of work and it may come to more like 6,12,5,5. If its a three year deal and you get 6 then the 12 less than six months later on top of the six, that's like getting 19-20% equivalent on the ammendable date. For me its about scope. I came hear post BK so I knew the pay rates/retirement situacion. 20% sounds good but don't give me the reach around on scope.