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Old 05-19-2012 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They would only belong to us if they can be done at a competitive cost. If not then the flying is lost and the feed with a net overall loss of mainline jobs. That is the real question. Where is the break on that cost factor. I know many here state we can do the flying and meet the costs required yet for some reason managements will go to inordinate lengths to force the outsourcing. The entire AMR chapter 13 is basically about the issue. Scope there was very tight. Management was willing to face a possible loss of control of the airline (now a possible reality) to get the cheaper feed. One wonders why management did not decide simply to do the flying at the mainline. It would be a huge win win if it could be done in a cost competitive fashion. Perhaps the actual reason every single management team is willing to go to war on the issue is that it can't.
I still firmly believe the E170/175 belongs at the mainline and could be operated close enough to regional carriers that the network could make up the revenue. I am not convinced anything smaller would work. I think in the end the jobs we gained on RJ's would be lost at the mainline as we pulled out of many feeder markets. Like virtually every pilot on this forum I don't have hard numbers however the fact that not one single management team has even made a attempt at it tells me something. I know the last numbers I saw from the EF@A team showed a massive cost difference. The average regional employee is on 2nd year pay making peanuts. Mainline employees are almost all maxed out on payscales that pay a lot more.
Sailing,

I'm not trying to punch any holes in what you are saying, but I think there are inconsistencies.

I am not fully aware of Mgmt's mindset wrt to cost for DCI. They lease the jets, guaratee profits, pay for gas, ticketing etc. It doesn't seem like cost is the issue.

Also, I havent jumpseated on a single DCI in the last year or more where the crew was new-hires or even close to 2 year seniority. My last Mesaba ride was with a 14 year Capt and senior FO. That's just my experience.

Personally, I am 100% convinced we could do the 76 seat flying cost effectively and in house.

Additionally, and I have no info but what I was told by crews doing the flying, at American Eagle, I have flown with several crews who had the opportunity to flow up. Why would they not take that opportunity unless they were making a decent living?