Have you guys not read the contract comparison? According to DALPA, when you factor in our DC contribution from the company, our 737 pilots are only 11 percent behind the SWA pilots. A 12 percent raise on the amendable date (4 now and 8 then) would put us above Southwest in DALPA's mind. That is industry leading which was our goal. Never mind that our MD-88 pilots are flying around 149/160 pax and are still getting well less than the Southwest pilots are to fly around 137 pax. With a 12 percent raise, even our 737 guys will still be taking home much less than the SWA pilots. Do the SWA pilots get a raise on the first of the year also for COLA? This 12 percent pay raise will probably pass 65 percent yes - 35 percent no. Just about every single pilot on this message board will be in the "no category." Convincing ourselves to vote no is easy. The problem is convincing the pilots that do not read the message boards. Those guys only read the things from ALPA stuffed in their v-files, and I am sure ALPA's sales pitch will be quite strong.