Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'd love to get some numbers, most importantly the full C2K contract and SWA's contract going forward. Or least over the past years to figure out trends. That way you can do a chart that shows what the C2K trend would've been, what the SWA trend is, where we've been and once the TA is announced where we end up.
I read both of your pertinent posts on the subject and safety culture, I just think unless we know the data that the safety folks have at Delta and DCI carriers know, we're attacking without protecting our flanks in such a discussion of safety cultures.
But to your point, do I think safety is degraded by poor pay and work rules. Yes. I think it adds stress and fatigue. Those airlines that have poor pay and work rules are imo are adding to the stress of their workforce. Let's promise to keep Delta from going down that road.
“Workplace Safety Climate, Human Performance, and Safety” - Chapter 5 of the book Safety Complex Industrial Environments A Human Factors Approach by Hiroyuki Shibaike and Hirokazu Fukui. Read it. Then we can discuss.
These are their markers of the strength or weakness of a safety culture.
• The organizational attitude for safety
• Attitude of immediate superior
• Workplace safety motivation
• Safety-conscious behaviors
• Morals
• Confidence in knowledge/skills
And from the Colgan NTSB Report
"The POI for Colgan stated that the safety culture at the company was “more reactive than I'd like … not quite as proactive.” The POI indicated that the company needed more middle management-level personnel to advance safety programs and conduct additional monitoring."
And from the Comair NTSB Report
The instructor also stated that Comair's culture encouraged first officers to speak up if a captain has made an error and that this aspect of CRM was reinforced during flight training. The instructor further stated that, when first officers have not spoken up during line checks after a captain has made an error, it was because of a lack of situational awareness rather than a hesitancy to speak up.
So - who's ready to talk about the cost of outsourcing? Because if we allow the outsourcing of more/larger airplanes we'll only be able to look at ourselves in the mirror.
The safety numbers don't mean much either unless you compare airlines with equal or similar cultures. The DCI carriers most likely tout a lower ASAP reporting rate because the pilots don't believe in it because - go back to the top of this post and re-read the 6 tenets of safety culture and repeat until you believe any outsourcing is wrong.