I hear what you guys are saying and it is true for the most part. We all know that right now 1000pic in a 1900 doesn't mean your getting a job or even make you competitive. Although it does make you more competitive than an r j f/o w/ 4-5000 sic. What is the point in being a 7 year f/o w/ no upgrade in sight when the majors start hiring. Of course we know the guys with 5000pic in a jet will get the first calls but, i would think that when it makes it way down to lower time pilots the 2 year lakes captain with 1200 pic would get a call before a 8 year f/o w/ 5500 sic. People bash on lakes for a lot of reasons. Lakes is a means to a better end, and that's all that anyone here looks at it as. There is no such thing as a lifer at lakes. Its a good pilot group that gets treated like dirt, but we have fun doing what we do and hope that pays off down the road.