Old 05-25-2012 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Jesus.......now he's telling ME about what happened at MY airline !!!

I can see now what cacti is talking about. You are completely INCORRECT..........well, it's not that you are incorrect, it's more you're a fan of what's known as a "strawman argument", i.e., in your version, you're altering facts, proclaiming that newly devised assertion as the real fact and then using the error as the foundation to proclaim me incorrect. The REAL fact is that the flow through known as Letter 3 in the AE pilots CBA and Supplement W in the APA Green Book was concocted and MEC (not pilot) ratified as an addition to the current AE CBA in MAY 1997. The new (at that time) 16-year contract was ratified by the membership 4 months later. We didn't even have a TA at the time Letter 3 became an addition to the then current CBA. Letter 3 was already a contract item and was not even subject to discussion at the fall roadshows for the new 16-year CBA. The 16Y contract had amendment rounds every 4 years that allowed alteration of up to 5 items via arbitration, so it acted in many ways like most contracts. As for pensions, what regional airline has had that.......or ever had that ?





Nope, George didn't give me any such ticket. My opportunity to flow to AA was via an agreement between two unions. What Nicolau did, was give additional flowthru slots to AE pilots since TWA pilots who originally didn't have flowback rights to AE were subsequently given those by APA/AMR agreement (at the bottom of the AA seniority list). EVERY single one of those pilots is STILL at AE. He also required that a certain number of those already with AA seniority numbers be required to make a declaration that they accept or reject their flowthru rights before they knew when they would actually make the transition. That's a bad disadvantage, because it could have been years before they flowed thru and arguably in a less desirable position due to age and advancement potential. Those who still are at Eagle with AA numbers get to choose to flow (or not) at the time they are offered a new-hire class when they can examine the risk/reward equation at the last minute. No such choice for those ordered by Nic to choose without that luxury.

This was at the demand of Eagle ALPA and AMR Eagle managment BTW, as once again no single Letter 3 pilot had any say in the matter. They both wanted that for different reason, ALPA being they are predominently mid-seniority pilots and elimination of 200 or so senior pilots improved their advancement and AMR Eagle because they wanted to divest Eagle and believed a reduction in pilot longevity expenses improved Eagle's sale chances to an outside party.



Again, blaming others for things they had no control over. Ironic considering you take no responsibility for choices made by you guys for things you DID have control over. any of those who flowed thru recently don't hold lines and not all are on 5th year scale. But hey......when you can divert issues and throw gas on a smoldering fire as a distraction from your own billigerent and erronous proclaimations, why not ?

Hypocrisy at it's finest, to boot.



Yes, we must be from the same cloth, what with both of us being "bottomfeeders", eh ?

Well, it seems as though you're running out of arguments, as you've resorted to baseless veiled insults. Never wanted to live in or try to commute to Phoenix, so no, AWA wasn't my cup of tea.



Jeez, based on your posts here, I can only image your level of obnoxiousness after you've tankered up on Blatz light. At any rate, I have no idea where you think my AA pay amounts to $165K/year or that I drive a corvette......perhaps you've been reading to many Mitchell Schnurman articles ?
Blah, blah, blah.. You are both verbose and incoherent. Typical traits of a seasoned politician trying to deflect blame. You would make a perfect ALPO rep!! So tell me Mr.16 yr. contract. Prior to the 97 AE CBA, how many AE pilots flowed to AA. Please try to keep your answer to less than 36 paragraphs.......... Never mind, an obvious impossibility. I will tell you 0. Why because prior to 97 there were no such provisions. Who cares!!! YOU got yours. Rationalize all you want. Most in the industry know what REALLY transpired.. I'm done here.
Oh, on a final note: GLASS HOUSES my friend, GLASS HOUSES...
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