Originally Posted by
CVG767A
Glad you're able to avoid this discussion (as am I). Many guys will be having it, though. The guys that need the money now will be the surest yes votes.
As for me- no wife/ kids in college/ college fully funded/ minimal mortgage.
Still on the fence re my vote; will have to see a solid plan B before voting no
Tendind towards voting for it, but I would consider changing that vote if I saw a credible plan B as well. I don't see the plan B yet. The problems:
1) Pilot side: I don't know
what we'd want to make better if it failed. I don't think there is a consensus. I suspect money, but that's not a given. I suppose we'd have to poll, and/or fight over this, and both take time.
2) Company side: their credibility is at stake, just like ours. There is no middle ground: if we pass this, it shows our ambitions don't match our rethoric; if the company gives us a better second deal, it sets the stage for TA's that fail. Someone is going to come out looking weak.
3) The precedent: For the most part, second offers have to come back worse than the first, otherwise there is an incentive to stall. Last example at this airline was the JCBA deal. There was more in the first offer, including immediate DC parity. Think about how much this has cost some of the N piltos. At other airlines, the most recent example I see is Air Tran, and we all know how that went.
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I think (and I'm probably dreaming) that the best possible outcome would be for the negotiators to engage the company NOW, and come up with some face-saving tweaking of this thing. Call it resolving technical issues, tweak a thing or two, and sweeten the pot slightly for the money guys, and it's probably there.
Meanwhile, I don't see the path where we turn it down, and get something better. I'm willing to listen if someone else has a credible plan, and can explain what we rally around, and how we get it done.