Originally Posted by
Bluto
Also, growing the >70-seat fleet at DCI is a good step towards getting the 76-seaters at mainline? Uh, I can only call that theory 'interesting'. If anything I see this TA as the final nail in the coffin of recapturing that flying. What am I missing?
YOu are missing nothing. You are spot-on. Vote NO!
Originally Posted by
Elvis90
Steve Dickson stated that the 717 purchase will offset the flying done by the loss of 50-seaters. The same can hold true for additional 76-seaters...leave the current cap at 255 and gets additional lift through, say, A319's. We don't need any more DCI.
Agreed!
Originally Posted by
flyingdaddy810
More suppositions. You can only count eggs that are in your basket! Can you really say that reducing the total seats at DCI and capturing some of that flying at the mainline is a bad thing? What, you really thing you can capture all of the DCI flying now? If we can do it at all, it will be done in incriments. Let's build on what we can capture now.
We cannot capture all DCI flying now, but we can hold the line on 70-76 seat jets. Enough is enough!
Why give them 70 more? For a sub-standard pay-raise and the promise of (small narrowbody) jets that are not on the property yet? The 50 seaters are not money-makers. They will get rid of them as expeditiously as the contracts allow. If we HOLD THE LINE on 70 and 76 seaters, The Company will be forced to buy more SNB's to have the lift capacity they need, or bring 70 and 76 seaters to MAINLINE. Either way, mainline wins. More DAL pilot jobs. Less DCI. Winning.
Originally Posted by
Rama
Airline pilot negotiation rule #1: Do not give up scope!
Please learn from history.
Yes!
Don't drink the Kool-Aid, guys. Bar graphs, percentages, and other sales tactics from ALPA can appear to be your favorite flavor...with sugar and not that Splenda crap, but in the end you have to cut to the chase:
This TA allows 70 and 76 seat RJ's to GO FROM 255 to 325. No bar charts, formulas, or other nonsense required to understand that! Someone please tell me how that is holding the line on scope? - Let's make that a rhetorical question: It is not: It allows FURTHER growth of DCI at the expense of mainline jobs. No ALPA negotiators notepad can sway me otherwise. Either don't fly those big RJ's, or bring them to mainline. If we hold DCI at 255...The Company MUST get more lift at mainline, because they have MAXXED OUT their current allowances of 70 and 76 seat RJ's already, and 50 seaters have too high a CASM and are therefore not a growth threat at current fuel costs.
Our leverage exists NOW. Let's use it. Negotiation involves give-and-take, and we are not an un-reasonable bunch - but let's send this back and get a BETTER deal than this. Don't buy into the scare tactics.
It really irks me that ALPA and The Company are tying the 717's to a ratification of the TA. Don't play games with me. I'm an adult. Vote NO and tell them to bring the 717's on the property anyway as a show of good-faith (which they could have done pre-TA anyway). The Company saw an opportunity to get you, the Delta pilot, to take LESS pay and GIVE UP SCOPE under the promise of new jets, as I told you they would do several weeks ago in the AirTran 717 thread. Don't buy into it.
Vote NO.