Originally Posted by
cni187
There is a lot of upward movement here but then negative movement there. Some guys on here say hey look the turboprop seat number has changed and intl JV language is tightened. However; it's plain to see that we gave where management really wants to take. Then they gave in the guise of raises but lowered compensation in the 401k stuff. I too started out as a yes vote but have slowly thought and read the TA a couple times and have come to the conclusion that all this rushing surely stinks. I used to think it was a North distrusting management thing and a South blindly following thing. What Carl said really struck a chord in me, The pilots spoke in the contract survey and the MEC did not deliver. I took a hard look at my paycheck and saw how much dues were going to our so called Representation. Looks like the MEC just didn't listen and things went too fast. Send it back!
Carl struck a chord in you? Really? Look around and look at our peers. They have not helped us at all, and this TA gives us a 19.7% pay hike in 2 1/2 years from now (Jan 1st, 2015). So, in the normal time it takes to get a section six contract done, we will already have almost 20% more pay, a lot more than those so called peers who of course want us to go for more, without their help.
Scope, in two parts. An overall decrease of 80 RJs from today. (150-70). Some people don't want RJs on routes that can't sustain a 717 anyway. Put a 70 or a 76 seater on a current 50 seat route and make money on it. 21 DC9s will go away, being replaced by the same number of 717s, but then add 67 more 717s to the mix. (67+21=88). Where will those other 67 717s fly to? Maybe where current 76 seaters are making money, to expand on that? Yeah. Will the routes the dropped 150 50 seaters just go away? Not all of them, and those 102 70 seaters and some 76 seaters will fill in for them.
Scope part 2 is good. Tighter international scope and tighter domestic code share scope. All improvements.
Work rules, sick leave, early out offer, all pretty good. Look around us, look at zero help, look at a 3 year deal with a good pay bump for 3 years. I really wish I could demand the same money I bought my house for in 05 from a potential buyer, but looking at the fore closed house nearby (AA BK), it's tough to get your asking price. Throw in the fighting spouses next door (UA/CAL) and the nutty neighbor on the other side (US), and you catch my drift. Even the rich guy in the cul de sac with the beemer (SWA) is having problems. His wife wanted to spend too much on her new friends, so he has to push an order for a new pool in his backyard back a few years (30 737-800s).
You can pretend we are in a league of our own, not affected at all by any of our direct competitors (in addition to the NMB), or you can look around and see that in reality, we've got a pretty good offer. Go to a roadshow.