Originally Posted by
APCLurker
Because this is how it starts.
I would bet some of the discussion being held back in the day when rj's were first given away was: "it's only 50 seat aircraft and flying....."
Then later it became: "we have to give up more than 50 seat flying.....but it is only 76 seat flying that we are giving up...."
The next potential statement with regards to charter aircraft is: "It's only 8 charter configured A-319's with XX seats......" or "we are eliminating our A-319 charter aircraft. That flying will now be performed by DBJ using XXX aircraft...."
Those charter aircraft violated our scope clause. alpa gave them away in this TA, even after saying scope was not for sale.
Scope erosion always starts somewhere. The proverbial camel's nose under the tent.
To me this is yet another symptom of a larger problem.....
And to answer your question on "what are we gonna do?" with regards to those aircraft: How about not give the scope away and let management figure their charter company problem out.
8 seats in a Gulfstream that flys on call sometimes vs an all NBA Aribus they pay for year round is really the one nitnoid we're going to focus on in scope? What sports team has 8 players golfers who already charter.
Delta PWA 1986 - Unlimited 70 seat aircraft allowed
Delta PWA 1991 - No change to 70 seat aircraft of
any type
Delta PWA 1996 - BAe-146 and Avro RJ-85 carved out, Sunshine B Scale designed, weight limits added for DCI
freight aircraft
Delta PWA 2000 - Passenger DCI weight limits added, ratios, hub, block hours and more tied to resets no downside protection
LOA 46 Pre 1113 - Still no limits on 50 but adds up to 150 70 with mainline growth nothing tied to mainline shrinkage
LOA 51 1113 - unlimited 50 200 70 and 30 76 based on C2K metrics (Delta's court plan)
LOA - 19 DL + NWA = 255 70/76 unlimited 50 and all the props in the world
1. Delta pilots voted on all of these. No secret LOA.
2. 1113 sucked a$$
3. The RJ existed in the world in 2000 along with the ATR. Delta pilots
made a choice to tie the DCI to mainline and not join it. It lacked downside protection and had reset provisions that did not protect mainline going down
4. This TA reduces total RJ hulls including props and adds a hard cap with downside protection and resets the numbers of RJ's if they shrink more. The only way we loose that is if we go back into 1113 or Delta pilots vote those protections away. This has never happened without memrat.
5. DPJ has a cap now on a handful of aircraft. Were you really going to bid a 135 lifestyle? If you think DPJ is going to take over all Charters then let's cap how many planes they can have.