If the company had come with a 2/2/2/2 plan would that be ok, just to get something that our competitors don't have and we wouldn't have to get the NMB involved?

I think folks set an EFC or bingo fuel or whatever analogy you want to use as a measuring stick and the section 3 payrates didn't meet it. I think there are some really good things in this deal, and I think that there will be another TA or 2 this summer (we won't like the next one) and as ACL points out, it'll be the third one that passes. Unless, the company monitoring policy along with the DALPA nose counters (whip analogy) realize this one won't pass without a "sweetener".