Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I know I'm probably talking to a cubicle resident here, but here goes anyway. We are negotiating with management. Being able to accurately predict what management is actually doing is critical to any negotiations. It's like wanting to buy a house, then stating: "why are you concerned about what the seller is doing?"

If you were a real pilot who gave up ~50% of your pay and lost or frozen pensions, you'd know the answer to that question. Getting "ours" is nothing more than the repayment of a loan without which Delta would be liquidated right now.

Nobody is interested in sabotaging management. We're only interested in being partially repaid for our investment that prevented liquidation. Nothing more.

Again, if you were really a Delta pilot, you would know the answer to that question. There's not a single Delta pilot (except Moak and the MEC admins) who don't understand we made a dreadful mistake caving in to the fear of that time. Many of us are making the exact same mistake again.

This really is the final proof that you're not a Delta pilot. This website is only for active airline pilots. This statement reeks of the standard pressure tactics used by management to use hapless cubicle types lilke yourself to shame pilots into wanting a partial repayment of their loan.

You need to do a lot more listening before you'll ever be paid any serious attention here bud.

Carl