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06-27-2012 | 05:22 AM

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Waves

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From: SLC 767ER Captain

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Originally Posted by APCLurker

And to me, the other part of the problem is we keep agreeing with that philosophy by giving them the original, not to mention more and/or larger rj's over the years. That is something we do have control over. Our votes on these TA's.

I'm not so sure about that one. The "mentality" or thought process or whatever you want to call it that resulted in those original rj's being given away seems to be alive and well still at times.

Definitely disagree here. Somewhere along the way, pilot's and alpa opened that 50 seat rj genie-in-the-bottle by voting yes. Not blaming you Waves, but we most certainly are to blame along the way for this. Smaller turbo-props should have been the end of the line for regionals. I again ask those 50 seat rj "yes voters:" what was the excuse?

The former furloughed pilots weren't the ones that opened the bottle. I would have been fine with a 50 seat rj at mainline before the furlough. Again Waves, not specifically talking to/accusing you but at least Carl has the cajones to admit that wrong-doing.

Some want to fix it, but imho, this TA does not do it. It furthers the problem, the philosophy you mentioned, by making the outsourcing more profitable with more large rj's. And no, it is not my only issue with the ta lest I be labled a "single issue voter."

You are absolutely correct that we keep moving the “RJ aircraft seat count” line in the sand. 50 then 70, then 76. What’s next one should wonder. I hate that too, but I’m a realist and understand the changing market, the 50 seat cost dilemma, and the sacrifices our group always makes to remain profitable. Even though the over buy of 50 seat RJ issue is the fault of former Management, we as a limited controlling agent, yet stake holders in the game, must make a decision as to not only our future compensation, but as to the health of the company as well. This is a tug-of-war issue which has extreme beliefs and consequences in both directions. As a line pilot, of course I want us to get the best of everything. I would love nothing better than a large WB order, a complete annihilation of ALL DCI affiliates, and a huge pay raise. We can certainly fight for all of these things, but at some point we must recognize our limits. Clint Eastwood: “A man has to know his limitations.” I think many on here do not want to recognize our limitations.
Perhaps you are correct that many senior bubba’s don’t give a rat’s arse about the RJ issue. Perhaps many feel it is really not their fight. Although I am not a senior 744 Captain fighting in the trenches, I am not a “ladder pulling” I’ve got mine kind of guy either. First of all, I don’t have mine. Secondly, even if I did, I wouldn’t abandon my brethren. I just don’t agree with the current line of attack.
BTW: Thankfully you can’t blame me for the 50 seater issue because I voted NO for everything.