Originally Posted by
goaround2000
Ok show me the numbers. Show me where an increase in wages and QOL is going to bankrupt the company. The way you talk you must know more than all of us, show me the finances; specifically where any capital gains would hurt the company's bottom line.
By the way, based on your believe system, you're clearly on the wrong side of the fence (assuming you're a line pilot at all). Good thing you're not in the negotiating Commitee. Per your own words "the company will not sign a contract that will bankrupt them", that's their job. Ours is to maximize the leverage we have and get as much as possible.
Here's a few realities for you folks that you're refusing to see:
1. If there are NO gains for the ERJ side, we'll just vote it down. Not open to discussion, as most of you already know the fear tactics won't work a second time, and believe it or not the crj side has more lifers as demonstrated by seniority.
2. There will NOT be a flush bid and there will be fences, regardless of the SLI.
3. There's no rush for ERJ side to vote anything in, and history has demonstrated (with the exception of Delta) that the first and second TA's are usually rejected.
4. If Jerry decides to pull aircraft out of the ERJ side because he wants to go home and take his ball, well, he can't! That's the best part, he signed a transitional agreement (public document) with our MEC. Planes go, so do the crews on a 10-1 ratio. You guys have that on the crj side?
5. The UAL CPA is a 1-1 ratio on replacements. I love how people ignore this one too!
6. asa ceased to exist, the surviving entity is called ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. it's a combination of the two carriers purchased by SKYWEST Inc. Talk about the crj union selling kool aid on that one.
So once again, who is brave enough to answer a civilize question?
WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE FOR THE ERJ CREWS TO CLOSE THIS DEAL QUICKLY?
Anyone.....
Do you not pay attention to things like renewals?
Do you not recall the emails about how they are basically constantly working to renew groups of aircraft with United on a regular basis?
I do not know what the exact times and dates are but aircraft are constantly under the threat of not being renewed. Last summer I recall an email about how they were able to renew something like 32 erj's or something. Basically there is an expiration. So you're not bullet proof to airplane losses.
Also, if say 50 of your erj birds do not get renewed that does not mean 50 new 700's come firing onto the line.
I don't recall the specs but I believe that 1:1 deal was IF United allows bigger birds for you then it can become a 1:1 swap.
Besides that I would look at contract expiration's and see how many birds are coming due for renewal and then question if you wanna be dragging your feet.