[QUOTE=automatique]I respectfully disagree, SBR. We are already slated to expand, unless we cancel orders. I don't see the pay increasing for the company as a whole, although I'm HOPING they increase the 190 pay to a livable wage, if that a/c proves a winner. Especially for the new F/Os.[/QUOTE]

Good point, the E190 pay is terrible. The 190 is not an RJ and it should not have RJ type of pay. Same job as a A320 so it should be the same pay, or at least better than it current form.

QUOTE=automatique]We're pretty much middle\lower end of the pack, paywise. We have 10 jillion apps onfile. Why in the world would they raise the pay?[/QUOTE]

Why should they? Because it is the right thing to do. Everyone here at JB is working hard to make things work and be more efficient. If they can project increased cost for MX/Ops/Fuel/etc, why can't they plan on an annual cost of living raise for all crew members? Isn't that fair? Why should we bear the cost of keeping JB profitable? If we are not making enough $$$, then we should raise ticket prices. Hey, hasn't it been the downfall of most of the major airlines who lower fairs to levels that lose money to keep market share? We should NOT follow thier example. If we raise fairs, we might lose a few pax, but I'll bet the other airlines will match our price increase and we remain about the same, but make more $$$.

Hey, if JB had to train hundreds of additional pilots to replace those that leave and go some where else (other airlines, non flying jobs, etc) that would cost the company big bucks. And it could happen more (some have already left). When mangements say "we can't give you a raise, and why should we? We have 10,000 app on file of people who want to work here" You should take that as the threat it is. They are saying "If you don't like it, you can leave" I don't take kindly to threats and I take that type of threat as a reason to get a UNION on property (not ALPA) to protect our group.

QUOTE=automatique]Don't count on making much money on JB stock, unless you're a daytrader. It seems to be a good vehicle for that. (Up a buck, down a buck...)[/QUOTE]

You are right on on this point.

QUOTE=automatique]At it's heady heyday, I never saw much profit sharing $. After over 3 years, it's less than $16,000, total. We can't touch it, anyway.
Don't they project a loss for 2005? That 16K isn't going to grow this year.[/QUOTE]

Right on again. Profit sharing is always a maybe. It is not money in the bank nor is it a pay raise. You can't use it to pay the bill that keep increasing due to inflation. That is why we need a definite cost of living raise program.

Just my opinion....

FNG