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Senior Skipper
Thanks for all the replies. There seems to be some confusion with the terminology (at least in my head).
When I think jumpseat, I'm thinking of sitting in the cockpit observation seat. Obviously, you have to walk in and ask permission. As the airline doesn't generate revenue from my presence, I consider it a form of non-rev travel. Am I good so far?
Now I considered any seat in the back to be just general non-rev travel. So when I'm commuting from ORD to CLT in 12B, after just listing myself and going to the gate, I should be non-rev correct?
I guess I'd like a clear definition of jumpseating vs. non-rev, and which one requires CA approval.
Thanks
Senior Skipper,
I'll do my best to clear this up for you. I fly for Delta mainline. If I list myself through Delta's employee non revenue system, check in, & am cleared/assigned a seat in the cabin I am a non revenue passenger. I am under no obligation to introduce myself to anyone, and if I'm not going to work I am free to consume alcohol.
Now, if the Delta flight is oversold & I feel I won't make it as a non rev, then I'll ask to Jumpseat. The agent will verify I'm a Delta pilot and issue me a Jumpseat pass. I must go ask the CA for permission, even if it there end up being seats open in the back. I'm still on a Jumpseat pass, & may not consume alcohol.
Now let's say I want to catch an American Airlines flight home. The flight is less then 24 hours away so I call the non rev assist line and they list me for the flight. I call the non rev assist line so I don't have to list as a jumpseater at the gate. It's a time saver, & a courtesy still offered by AA for OAL(other airline employees) that don't have access to AA's system. However, I'm still being listed as a jumpseater. Once I reach the gate, the agent will verify if I'm a CASS approved jumpseater. This will let the agent know if I can occupy the flightdeck Jumpseat since I'm not an American pilot. Now it turns out there are over 30 seats open in the back, & so the agent issues me a seat. I am given a boarding pass, but I am STILL a jumpseater and I MUST ask the CA for a ride.
The only time you are truly a non rev is if you are traveling on your airline(or if a regional pilot the legacy your airline connects for)using your pass privileges, traveling on a buddy pass, or if you bought an ID90(interline fare). If you aren't using one of those then you are a jumpseater. Hope this helps clear things up.