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Old 07-16-2012 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
It is a fairly involved calculation. Since I'm not a proponent of this plan, I don't plan on taking the time to do the math. Off the top of my head, though, I'm guessing that if we had the same pay for the 737, 757, 767, 747, 777, and A330, the weighted average of the current rates would be right around 767-300 pay. Getting this as a 737 captain would be a great deal; getting this as a 747 captain, not so much.

If you can show me, keeping this on a cost neutral basis, how this doesn't screw a senior while it benefits a junior guy, I'm all ears. Your talk about TVM and flattened scales is merely obscuring the facts. You're not going to win me over with the argument you posted above.
Since the merger I've become a much bigger proponent of the LGBP system. Prior to the merger I went from 65% on the 767 to 55% on the 88. MSP pilots saw the company move 330s and now must commute if they want to chase the money. ATL has seen 1/2 the 777 and 764 time move elsewhere. A pilot senior enough to be on the bottom 1/2 of these types must commute or move to maintain his current salary. The company is taking advantage of the merger by moving aircraft to whatever base it makes the most sense to. The problem is that many pilots have lost big money or QOL in the process. I'm all for the flexibility and profitability of the company. However, having our pay tied to a/c size means that unless you're super senior you will at some point lose by moving down in seniority on your current plane, displacing off it to something smaller or commuting.

I would argue that seniority would be truly honored in an LGBP system. If you don't like long trips on a 777 and would prefer to be home every night doing island flying you could choose to do that and not take a paycut in the process. We associate fleet types with seniority but I think its mostly because of the pay. If you love international, you could choose the airplane that gives you the trips you want. Most importantly, if the company moves airplanes around you don't lose money.