Originally Posted by
gtechpilot
Seriously man, why do you have your panties in such a wad?
Really dude? You seem pretty panty wadded self
Moving on....
Originally Posted by
gtechpilot
If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.
And what you guys can't seem to understand is the LIW's give pilots options. The standard point will be made. Junior ERJ pilot doesn't get what he wants due to being junior, LIW is the recourse. Junior CRJ pilot doesn't get the trips, days off, whatever he wants. Now lets throw in an unstack situation. What's his recourse?
Originally Posted by
gtechpilot
The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.
That's a given. It's also a given that ASA management HATES ERJ vacation touch/trip drop. But seriously, what would you expect a management lackee to say? It's ALSO been stated that the ERJ side is more cost effecitve when it comes to pilots. You know that, right?
Originally Posted by
gtechpilot
As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?
Concessions have ALSO been a "norm" in our industry. Does that mean we should take one?
Originally Posted by
gtechpilot
Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.
See above. Besides, I think many of you guys have substandard understanding of how the LIW's work. Also, there's PLENTY of pilots that simply get what they want in the bid award and fly it and NEVER touch the ILIW.
Originally Posted by
gtechpilot
I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
This one is my favorite. What happened when the ERJ and the CRJ MEC met to discuss this? It's been beat to death here, and else where. Let's see, the ERJ MEC did research on flightline, and other systems. It was determined that flightline WOULDN'T work with the ERJ CBA, it just won't. But the CRJ MEC wasn't at all interested in exploring other systems. The CRJ MEC's mentality was bascially "F you we expect you guys to inherit our PBS, no questions. Too bad so sad". And please, spare me the "we bought you" argument if that's the best you can do.