ALPA and the IPA are at opposite ends of the union spectrum in terms of effectiveness, integrity, and goals. We are united and just because you don't hear about issues on this board or FI does not mean they are not being discussed. China is the ticket for my professional security and my children's future. After the 08 Olympics thier economy will really start to take off and it is foreseeable for UPS to double profits in 5-10 years. We could double our pilot force in 5-7 years based on China/India growth alone. Scope is the #1 issue and the retirement issue is not even a close second.