Originally posted by SitBackRelax
Ahhhh....OK. It's clear now. Code words again. "the greater cause of airline flying." "improving their lot" "partners to their future" "players in deciding their destiny" All meaning Guys, please unionize. I really wish you'd just say that instead of dancing around it. It would have saved us a lot of time.



Ok you caught me. I figured using the U word would just shut some of you down. Hey I work at a place without a credit union, we have a credit association


SitBackRelax
So I'll agree to being at an impasse, because we haven't built up the requisite animosity in JB to unionize. Who knows what will happen in the future -- maybe all you nay-sayers will turn out to have been incredibly insightful and not just greedy. I swear I will be the first to apologize and admit it. But having people at other airlines really really wanting us to unionize so that they have a chance to get paid more isn't a good enough argument.




I guess animosity is one reason to unionize, but I would disagree that it is either nessary or required to do so. And greed has nothing to do with it either (see pay and benefits of all lecacy carriers and most unionised freight and commuters). Let me give some examples that will make my point.

When you buy a house, do you pay the asking price or try to convince the seller to accept less??
When your (company's) owners/management buy jet's from Airbus, do (did)
they pay the asking price from Airbus or did they to come to some agreement that was (for JB) more favorible??
When you bought your car, did you pay the price on the sticker??

To save you the trouble of answering no to all the above (on the other hand if you do say yes to question 1 and/or 3, I gotta..........you'll just love..)

I know, using lots of word to say, negoiate your compensation. Don't just accept that the largest, most expensive idiem you possess (your time and skill) is or will be compensated fairly. You wouldn't think of buying a house without a contract yet you work without one. Which will have a greater affect on your life style and happiness, the home you worked hard to not over pay for, or your job?? Should you default all major decisions regarding pay, retirement, QOL, etc to your employer, who's first duty is to keeping cost as low as possible to increase value to the stockholders??

Maybe you think your getting paid what your worth, fair enough. We'll talk again if some other up start invades (JB) turf with lower fares made possible by pilots/FA's/rampers working for less than you are

As far as being happy with your job, it was a given (by me at least) that you would be. Your defending your company/non-union status/pay, your debating on this forum with those who's opinion is different. If I was in your shoes, I probably would do the same. I like to believe though that I, would be thinking about how to improve on what I have (and I don't think its greedy to want more).